This was my 3rd tattoo now from John, and I couldn’t be any happier with the result. I gave him some ideas on how I wanted to finish my half sleeve and he made it happen. Never was I worried either going into it. He is very polite and welcoming and does amazing work. Couldn’t thank him and my family member enough for telling me to go to him. Take care John if you see this. I’m sure I’ll be back soon!

Alex took my idea and verrrrry simple drawing and made it MAGICAL!!! He is patient, talented, kind, and gentle! I found my forever artist ❤All seven of my kids names, Mauraders footprints weaving around represents all the kids that have come in and out of our lives over the years, Mischief Managed represents that they are all grown now, and Always... for my love with my husband

I went and got a piercing at a DIFFERENT shop, but it fell out. The piercer would not be in for a week and my hole was going to close. I called Vanity and they were so nice and said to come on in and they will see what they can do. The hole started to close but did not close all the way. So they took a pole, popped it back open and put in a new piece. $20, in and out. I told them I passed out and Johnny kicked on the fan, and sat with me. THANK YOU JOHNNY! You saved me from having to get pierced again. Johnny was quick, knowledgeable and so nice! Wish I had gone to vanity to get it done the first time.

Johnny did my boyfriends start to his sleeve, he was very accommodating with with preference on styling etc. He went above and beyond to create the perfect mix for him and blend the colors correctly to find one that he really loved. John did my reborn tattoo (tattoo that was 7 years old) that he brought back to life. He was very patient and let me have breaks in between which was important to me- made me feel comfortable and not rushed like other places. If youre looking for quality work in a place that treats you like family Vanity is the place to go. Stellar work and great customer service with competitive pricing! Thanks again guys! [[They were also very great with the covid precautions]] what are you waiting for? Go get the tattoo youve been wanting!

Got my first tattoo here and i could not recommend it more. Alex was my tattoo artist and he was very professional and passionate about what he does. He clearly had lots of experience and did a rather difficult tattoo like it was nothing. Very pleased with the outcome of the tattoo, professionalism, cleanliness and overall atmosphere of both the shop and its talented workers. Will likely be returning for another soon!

I just had a flag that was designed by John and he did the best work I have seen. I have already received many compliments on the work. He is a very talented artist. I would highly recommend him for your next piece. I plan on coming back for more work. Everyone was very friendly and asked if you wanted water, coffee or a soda to make you more comfortable while getting my tattoo.

This was our first time at Vanity Tattoo, and aside from the friendly staff, Carlos did an amazing job on our matching tattoos. We are already making plans to go back. I wish I could give a rating of more than 5 stars. 👍😀

Would recommend this shop again, and again! Had the pleasure of working with both John and Johnny and cant say enough! Friendly, professional, and exceptionally clean, all great things from Vanity! So impressed with their work and my new tat!

John did an awesome job! Would definitely recommend, and will be back for my next one!

I highly recommend Vanity Tattoo. The staff is great, the shop is super clean and everything is socially distanced. I had visited several other tattoo shops and walked away. At Vanity Tattoo I immediately felt comfortable and welcomed. John, the owner, listened to my vision and transferred it to paper perfectly. Alex brought my vision to life with patience and extreme gentleness. The result is a truly beautiful work of art. I couldnt be more pleased. If I ever decide to get another tattoo, I will only consider Vanity Tattoo. Thank you guys! It was a pleasure spending the afternoon with you all :)

I had some work done by Alex and was very happy! The atmosphere was very clean and professional and everyone there was great to be around. You can tell that they are a tight group of artists and can likely accommodate any type of work you want done. If they cant do something specific they have resources to others that can. Very good group - Ill definitely be going back for some more custom work.

Incredibly detailed and professional! Pure love behind thier profession. If you are searching for a tattoo parlor stop looking because Vanity will have you smiling ear to ear, I love me sleeve!

The place is kept nice and clean! Super friendly! I got my piercings done here. Hoping to get a tattoo from here soon too!

Alex did mine and my sister’s tattoos. First off, the shop is spotless, and each artist has their own station to decorate the way they want. Everything is sterile and pristine. The artists’ stations are so cool! Second, Alex was very professional and personable. This was my sister’s first tattoo, and understandably she was nervous. She had him do a few different designs, which he had absolutely no problem doing. He joked around with us and made us feel very welcome and at ease. He’s designs were flawless and exactly what we wanted. I have had 3 other tattoos before, and I have to say this tattoo hurt the least out of all of them. He had a VERY steady hand, was gentle, but got the ink in. Our tattoos turned out exactly the way we wanted them to. Due to covid, there is hand sanitizer everywhere, everyone wore masks, and elbow bumps were exchanged instead of hand shakes or hugs. I appreciated that very much. There were many other people who came in during our time there getting tattoos and piercings by other artists and piercers. We will definitely be back again!! Highly recommend this shop, and Alex. Thank you so much!!

Had called to schedule an appointment to get a half sleeve done about a month and a half ago. I have had my previous work done here and always recommended it when someone asked. However, it was like pulling teeth to get a call back or to communicate with the artist I had requested(did my other two tattoos). Finally the artist just stopped responding and never followed up to even say “Hey. I don’t have the time for a lengthy piece at this point.” Or even just say “I’m not interested in doing a piece like this at this point.” Never got a follow up response on why it was made so difficult to make an appointment and get something sketched out. Very disappointed in the lack of communication which ultimately lead me to go to another shop.

We took my niece to get her ears pierced for the first time. They were by appointment only which was great since we didn’t have to wait. When we walked in we were impressed at how clean and open it was. We dealt with Jeff who was fantastic! He was friendly and put my niece at ease. He explained everything throughly and handled it quickly and efficiently. I would highly recommend using them!!

John reworked an old tattoo for my husband and it turned out amazing! He was a pleasure to work with and Vanity Tattoo is spotless. Highly recommend this place if you are looking for a new tattoo!!

Sadly seems very unprofessional. I called in the beginning of April I sent a photo of the tattoo and arm and I set up a consultation with Alex for may 21st and come to find out had I not kept calling he was going into surgery waited a whole month for this and they never even re scheduled me or even tried to reach out unless I called. Very disappointing.

Excellent service John very informative highly recommended!!

I am thrilled with my new tattoo and the touch up on the ribbon. Alex was wonderful and the salon is clean and inviting. This should be a best of the fox winner.

Just walked out of this place from getting a tattoo with Alex and I couldn’t wait to write a review. I had a coverup done of not only an old tattoo but scars as well and I could NOT be happier!!! He was amazing and so were the other staff members and owner! They even bought me lunch!! I would highly recommend this place for ANY tattoo need no matter how detailed or complicated! Thank you vanity tattoo!

I did ear piercing to my daughter that is almost 6y. The owner did the job. He is knowledgeable, friendly and likes to educate his customers. After few weeks my daughter lost one of her earrings and her piercing almost closed on one of her ears. The owner got us in free of charge. I think this tells a lot about a person. I highly recommend this place.

Accommodating and friendly. Clean place to do piercings and tattoos. They are very covid compliant. Great place!

I absolutely love vanity tattoo! april made sure we were happy, healthy and safe. and johnny pierced my ears!

Got my first tattoo at Vanity tattoo and couldnt have picked a better place. Super clean... By appointment only which means no waiting! Alex was my tattoo artist. Very professional and patient. Listened to what i wanted and came back with a design that was spot on! Thanks Alex! If youre looking to get a tattoo, ask for Alex. You cant go wrong...

My friend got her rook piercing from here and wanted another piercing so I went with her to switch out my piercing jewelry. but I ended up getting a flat helix piercing (+ switched out my other piercings) and she got a flat helix and regular helix on a whim. Best decision ever bc we love how our new piercings turned out. Johnny was super chill and patient. The lady who helped us fill out the papers and make the reservation was also very sweet. Definitely worth the 30 min drive. Im so glad I stopped by today with my friend. :) definitely will return if we decide to get more piercings or jewelries.

Friendly artists and they all do amazing work!

John is amazing! His attention to detail is off the charts!! Very clean facility.

Johnny Jr did a fantastic job professional environment clean and reasonably priced

John pierced my double helix a couple weeks ago and he did an amazing job!! They are healing perfect!! He is an expert in his field and does great work!! He made me feel very comfortable and had the piercings I came in looking for. Coming back soon to get my ear lobes double pierced!!! Thanks John!! Highly recommend vanity!

Awesome place! Have had lots of people get tattoos here. Great clean place. Alex and Johnny are amazing ..

Great Work!!!!! Great pricing!!!! Every one there are great people, John(owner does great work along with his team. The facility is very clean. I would recommend everyone to check it out.

I came here a couple days ago looking to get a couple of ear piercings. I had been looking for a good place to go to get them done and finally came here after it was recommended to me. I ended up getting my conch and rook done by the piercer John. Overall it was a great experience! John was very patient and made sure I liked the placement of the jewelry before piercing anything. John and the rest of the staff were very welcoming and kind. Everything was clean and properly sterilized. John gave very detailed instructions about caring for my piercings and gave me his business card and told me to call him with any questions, if any came up. I highly recommend coming here for anything you may want done!

Awesome work, John is great. Very clean shop!

My brother and I got our first tattoos here, Alex was great helping us step by step. Clean place with excellent service. Highly recommend!

My mom, sister & I had been talking about getting tattoos for awhile. My sister had just moved to Elgin & we were looking for places out by her to get them done at. We honestly found Vanity Tattoo on Google Maps & read the reviews. We were nervous at first, but as soon as we pulled into the parking lot the owner helped us park (the lot was FULL) & allowed us to use a side door so we didn’t have to walk through the snow & get all wet. As soon as we walked into the doors we were greeted by EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON! The artists there are beyond amazing, talented & nice! We had Julio & he was very honest about placement, the drawings, etc. he was absolutely amazing & talented; we couldn’t have been more grateful to have had someone who tattooed us. This place is beyond wonderful and BEYOND CLEAN!!! This is definitely are new spot for tattoo’s & we LOVE it! Thank you guys so much!!

I’m absolutely speechless...went here for my first tattoo and this will be the ONLY place I come to for the rest!! Julio did an exceptional job. Everyone is super nice and upbeat. I can’t believe how clean the place was as well. Julio is very skilled and took his time, he was very professional and caring. Can’t wait to come back again!

Alex is the man! He’s a great Artist, very professional, personable and showed he really cares about what he does. He’s my Go-To guy from now on. Thank you Alex for the Bear, and also touching up my Chicago flag! Best shop around, I’ve never had anything but a great experience here. -Desmond

John is awesome. Super friendly and charismatic. I got my nose piercing here and was worried because I was coming in an hour before closing. He was very chill and didn’t rush me at all. Over all the place was super clean and the whole process was fast and easy. If you’re thinking about coming here stop thinking about it and just do it. You won’t regret it.

Thanks Big John youre the best

Ive been going to vanity since 2012 and just got another today never been disappointed.

Awesome experience. John is a great artist. Super clean shop, great pricing and very professional crew. Highly recommended.

The owners are so nice and accommodating. Great customer service! I highly recommend going here for piercings or tattoos!

Clean and bright, this is an absolutely professional shop. I cant speak for all the artist, but we saw Johnny. He was very meticulous and well prepared. This is the second tatoo hes done for my wife, and my first from Johnny. He took the ideas that we brought and took the best parts of each and incorporated them into a custom design. He really took his time in setting up, understanding that its a lifetime deal, perfection matters. And he is a perfectionist!great long straight lines and flawless shading. A true professional. Id highly recommend him for anything, hes first and foremost an artist, great drawing. And second, a detailed perfectionist. Hes not afraid to try new things, but he really takes it with the heavy consequences it deserves. Check this place out!

Alex did my first tattoo and it’s amazing. The owners are genuinely nice people, and so is the rest of the staff. The shop is immaculate and very comfortable. Going back for 2nd tattoo soon. Prices and quality are top notch. I highly recommend. Thanks Alex!!!

All of my friends recommended this place over any other place in the area. Very nice people. Got my first tattoo here. Jeff did my tattoo and all my friends said he’s got pretty steady hands! Did a very a simple arrow tattoo and lines look sharp and clean! Definitely going back for more!

Ive been here for all my eat piercings! Tragus,rook, cartilage, half up. Everyone is super nice, very clean, my piercings never got infected!

1st tattoo by Alex. He did an awesome job and would recommend him to anyone interested in getting their first, second, ect.Going back today to get a tattoo in honor of my son, who recently passed. Sent the picture to Alex prior to the appointment and he made a few suggestions which work for me. Will post a photo when done.Best place to go hands down. 🤗

Walked in strangers - left as family.Let me start off by saying how much I appreciate the owners, John and April! Their warmth and kindness resonates throughout Vanity Tattoo. Every interaction my daughter and I had with them this evening starting with our phone conservation was handled in such a positive and genuine manner that we felt like family. Both John and April went above and beyond to understand my daughters piercing needs and make her feel comfortable. They asked her about look and placement, made sure the hoops were the right size for her face and fitted her with the highest grade jewelry available. I stood there fully aware she was in good hands - that they truly had her best interest at heart.If youre evaluating sites looking for the right place - you can stop now. Vanity Tattoo is the real deal - family oriented, friendly, clean, customer focused and professional. We could not be any happier with my daughters piercing and our experience.

Got a piercing done by John! Was super awesome and answered all of the questions that I had about it. He was very quick and precise as well! Would recommend coming here for any piercings!!

Great service and treated my daughter excellently for her ear piercing

Love it! I did my new tattoo with Steve, he was very nice and i loved how much details Steve put in my new tattoo, it was very simple tattoo but he put a lot of effort into it, he did much more better than i was expecting. Im very satisfied with my new tattoo and i would definitely recommend Steve, and I will probably come back for more!

I’ve gone to Vanity for all of my tattoos and love it there. Jeff has done every tattoo I have except for one, and all of them turn out amazing. He’s super helpful with designing and placement as well. Everyone that works there is really friendly! I’d never go anywhere else for a tattoo; I’ve never been disappointed. I would highly recommend Vanity Tattoo to anyone.

This was a couple years ago. When I went in to inquire about a tattoo Ive been thinking about getting done for my two nieces I wasnt at all welcomed by any of the artists. My friend had just gotten his tattoo done earlier that day and I was really impressed about the detailing. I was asked my ideas while one man was sitting far away so it felt like I was shouting, and when I told (shouted) what I was thinking about he said he wouldnt do it. I was thinking about doing a little tiara or bows for each of the girls, but I was immediately interrupted by that man. He said if he saw me in the middle of the street he would cut me with his knife. That was the most unprofessional interaction Ive ever had. I never would have thought I was going to be threatened by a dude who looks like he never showers more than once a month. I felt unsafe, and just completely disappointed. I will never do business with a place who threatens their clients. There is a way to say you cant do a design. You dont tell a client youre going to assault them. Dont ever come here. Youll get the same treatment like I did before, and I dont want anyone ever feeling unsafe.

I have been going to Vanity since it was at its old location. It has been the only place I feel truly comfortable at. If you need a tattoo done definitely go to Vanity!! Ask for Jeff! Everyone there is great, but Jeff does all my tattoos and he is definitely very conscious of what you want, and comes up with great designs when you have just an idea of what you want. His work is always impeccable. You can count on him to give you want you want, and I also feel comfortable asking for it to be fixed if it is not 100% how I want. Definitely go to vanity! It’s like a second home!

Had a great experience with Vanity Tattoo, will definitely be going back. John and April were amazing! They make you feel very comfortable. Very happy with my piercing.

Staff was so nice, it made my day!! The wait was not long at all and John pierced my nose quickly and it looks great. Such a great place!

Steve was very convenient and ready to go. He was efficient while being careful and precise. Would definitely recommend Steve for a tattoo. Looks great!

HUGE THANK YOU to the world famous Rob Downs @ Vanity Tattoo! Could not be happier! 20ish hours in the chair. Great conversation. Super clean shop. Super awesome artist. I will be back sir. Thank you thank you thank you!

Very clean facility. Staff very friendly and accommodating. I had some ideas of what I wanted but not entirely. John worked with my design until I was beyond happy. You will not regret going to Vanity Tattoo. Nice people and professional work.

Alex is amazing!!! U can tell him an idea. 5 min. Later hes drawn it out perfectly. My go to guy for all of my tattoos!!!

My name is Susan, I am absolutely satisfied with my experience at vanity tattoo. After researching different tattoo shops and actually meeting one artist from a different shop who just emailed me some photo shopped garbage off Google images. My fiance told me about Rod Pronos at Vanity. We went in there straight away and I told him what I wanted and where I wanted it. He was booked solid for 2 months which is a good sign. Finally had my appointment and it was easy, walked in he lined the beautiful drawing on me right away and not more than five minutes later I was in the chair. Rod you rock your artwork is beautifully amazing, and you are hilarious. What a guy! I cant wait to finish in a month or so. everyone at Vanity is very friendly also. Great atmosphere, very clean, and good music playing too. Thanks Vanity see you soon and from now on.

I absolutely love this place and would recommend it to anyone! John did my tattoo and I am absolutely in love with it. His artwork is beautiful, he does very clean, neat work, and makes you feel so comfortable. The rest of the artists are all very nice as well, and April is a sweetheart. I will definitely be back very soon for my next one.

Alex always takes care of my wife and I. Place is clean and staff is friendly.

Great family business, starting coming to them before they moved to their current location. Always clean, respectful and have done great work on me. I even trust them to pierce my daughters nose. Ive gotten 2 tattoos here, and a piercing. Brought a friend for a tat too. Looking forward to my next one. Very soon. Love John Sr. and his wife is a sweetheart.

I’ve gotten 3 amazing tattoos here and plan on getting more very soon!!

Had my tattoo done by John. It was done very well. He is really talented and professional. The studio itself is really nice and clean. The receptionist is welcoming and friendly. This was my first tattoo and I highly recommend this place to anyone who is interested or planning to get a tattoo.

We’ve been here several times for simple piercings and always get exceptional customer service, everyone is always very nice and accommodating, the piercers are amazing and we’ve never had any issues. They explain everything and despite always having customers doing larger business they respect our time and needs. I would recommend over anywhere else!

I was so impressed when I walked into Vanity. I went and got my Rook piercing done. When I walked in all the staff were super friendly and welcoming. They sat and chatted with me as the piercer prepared the equipment. When it came to the actual piercing it was quick and well done. I took a friend in to get her belly button done a few days after (because I had such a good experience) and again it was a very friendly atmosphere, even with all the artists working. Although we didnt make an appointment and had to wait, someone kept checking in and as soon as an artist opened up who could do a piercing was available he took us right away.They are a little pricey, but Id rather pay an extra 5$-10$ for great service.I do wish they would have given a little more inf. on piercing care, but thats the only kind of complaint I have.

Had my by Johnny he did a great job. I got the industrial bar placed

Today was my first time going to this place. I got 2 ear piercings done by Alex. He was very professional, clean, and precise. My piercings turned out exactly how I wanted. And the prices here are more reasonable than any other place I did research on.

Awesome shop! super clean, great work, and very fair prices. all the artists are very professional and they price their work so well, love this place.

I got my first tattoo at Vanity Tattoo and I can say I will never go to any other place. I felt so welcomed and comfortable. Jeff is an amazing artist who created a beautiful piece in honor of my dad. He is so talented and very nice.

I always have amazing experiences at Vanity, it’s clean and everyone is welcoming. I get my work done by Johnny who’s an amazing artist and an awesome guy to talk to, never makes you feel uncomfortable or rushed when making decisions and is always prepared. Seen him for 3 tattoos the past 1.5 years and I’m already planning my 4th.

Jeff did an amazing tattoo for my sister and I. We got matching tattoos. Great price and the quality of his tattoos are unbelievable. I am planning on getting a sleeve done and he will be my guy for that. Highly recommended.

Had Johnny do my first tattoo!!! Great guy and great artist!! Everyone in there is friendly, very artistic and honest, 10/10 would recommend this place. 😁

Very clean and cute shop. Steve Sims is awesome and the staff is very friendly!

This place was awesome from start to finish! I was welcomed by April, and she set the tone to be a friendly, professional establishment. I honestly felt like it was a hangout spot, and probably wouldnt have left after my tattoo if I wasnt so hungry. It was my first tattoo, and Rod was able to take a Google image and shrink it down to the size I needed. Then, he did a wonderful job with my tattoo and Im nothing less than 100% satisfied!! Great place and I totally recommend it to rookies, veterans, and all those between.

Very clean and extremely nice employees. John and April both helped us out with our piercings and made us feel very relaxed. Will definitely go back for more piercings and tattoos.

I have had nothing but great experiences at vanity. Jeff has been tattooing me and my family for years and his work is always beautiful and clean. I always walk out with exactly what I wanted. I definitely recommend everyone to come here and ask for Jeff!

I cant say enough great things about Vanity Tattoo. I had my second Tattoo done by John last night. He is always so helpful when your really not sure what you want. He tells you like it is. If its not going to work or look right he lets you know up front.. Not only that he is such a nice, down to earth person who really loves what he does. I love the fact that the place is super clean and is a family business. If you are looking for a place to get a tattoo I highly recommend them!! Ill be back....

This place is the best hands done. Im a repeat customer and will continue to go there. John the owner and Rod are the best in the business. 8 tats later and Im still going. They listen to your ideas, give you their true opinion and make you feel at home. Thx vanity tattoo!

Great work- great staff- beautiful and clean facility. And my tattoo looks amazing! I am never going anywhere else

I went in to get a left nostril nose piercing. John did my piercing. The staff was very professional and clean. The place was clean and they did wash their hands a lot. I was in a out in a flash. He gave me after care instructions. I would definitely go back for another piercing.

Awesome atmosphere where you feel at home. Very clean and accommodating and this is just as great as the work. Family and friends will all be referred here.

Wow! Everyone here is so nice!! I came in to get an earring replaced and they were very helpful and kind in helping me pick out a new one. I highly recommend this shop!

Awesome clean place to get a tattoo or piercing! All the staff is very helpful and kind. John is a very talented artist!! Iam gladly happy to say iam finally part of the Vanity Tattoo Family!

My friends and I came in for some piercings and they took us in right away. John the owner did all of our piercings and it was very clean, and you can tell he genuinely loves his job! He was very sweet and made this experience great for all of us. Thank you John and I will defenitly be back for more piercings!

Got my belly pierced here about 2 years ago by Johnny. He was super nice along with everyone else there. I was so nervous about it but he made it so fast and simple. I am planning on getting my first tattoo at Vanity for sure because I was so pleased with my experience!!

John was an excellent piercer! Very knowledgeable about his work, and his kindness made the overall experience much better. Ask for John when you go in!

Let me tell you help amazing this place is. I called because one of my piercings closed up and John responded Come on in! Well repierce it for free. and he gave me a new pair of barbells too. He is amazing.

My second tattoo done by John back and forth for about 2 months between different shops hes the only one that remembered every detail about the tat and placement and goes a long way with me love the work I would definitely recommend this shop to everyone

Absolutely adore this establishment! I’ve frequented it for years now, getting different piercings, and have never been disappointed. I had a very detailed linework drawing tattooed on my hip earlier today by the owner, John. He did an incredible job and I’m overly pleased. I would recommend this shop ten times over for their cleanliness and personability. Much love, Vanity Tattoo.

Took my friend here so we both could get tattoos, hers a tribute to her mom and mine for my kids. The guy wouldnt do the design either of us wanted. Said it would have to be a certain size and it wouldnt fit on the wrist...BS!! I asked what size needle do you plan on using cause I have seen this specific tattoo in person and it can be done! Gave us such attitude! No thanks....I am going somewhere else!

Just got a piercing done at vanity and I just wanted to say that Johnny was awesome!! He went above and beyond making sure I was comfortable and taking care of me when I passed out. Seriously thank you, I highly recommend going to Johnny for a piercing!

Ive been meaning to get a tattoo in honor of my son for quite some time now. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE recommended Vanity Tattoo. I walked in and immediately felt welcome. Nano gave me great suggestions and even drew up my tattoo in his own script. He did an incredible job. My tattoo looks absolutely AMAZING! I cannot wait to show it off. I am in love with it. Definitely will recommend Vanity Tattoo to anyone and everyone.-YOU GUYS ARE GREAT :)

Sent a email about a tattoo I wanted 2 get and had no response

Fantastic experience. Will definitely be going back.

Nice people except for one guy. Jeff is super nice. Only negative was they didnt do it exactly how I wanted. But 9/10 what I was hoping for

He gave me a hard time about what I wanted. Told me He didnt like any of the designs that I picked out. They tried to get me to tat something that I didnt want. So in my head, I thought the artist couldnt do it. I still gave the benefit of the doubt so I compromised. So I picked something that I sort of liked and maybe the artist could do. The outline looked good, but when it came to the details and shading. It turned out nothing like the picture that was provided. Now its on me and I cant just erase it. Also there was a spot that the artist got lazy on or forgot what the design looked like. I had my phone ready to show him but he just started filling it in. Didnt get what I wanted, artwork was bad, and I felt like I was doing something wrong. Rod was the one who worked with me.